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deadmanswill | Scheduled Tribes are true Indians
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| Published On-August 27, 2008 05:41 | Views:95 | Replies:16 | August 27, 2008 05:41 |
Telusa?: These people are called indigenous Indians. Meaning, Indians who originated in India and still live there. They owned the lands even before the Aryan Invasion. Of course, the Aryan Invasion theory is still under debate. But the ethnicity and origination of these tribal people is proven. They have their own religions. Hinduism has seeped into most of their religions and many worship both their gods and some hindu gods. When Hinduism began spreading, many of original Indians converted or merged with them, including the Dravidians - the telugu, tamil, kannada and malayalam peoples. Only some of non-hindu groups protested. And slowly a new law came into effect in their own religions; anybody who deserts his tribe and goes away is a traitor and a blasphemer of religion. This rule was placed because some youngsters were prone to be tempted by the elated status the caste system of Hinduism presented. After converting, these youths would come back and begin to convert their own families and others. Everyone of us know two such men - Krishna Dvaipana and Ratnakara. Identify them? No? When they were converted into Hindus they were rechristened as Veda Vyasa and Valmiki. Ah! Now you identify them! When the government began to form and national laws were put in place, land became government property and anyone wishing to buy it should do so under the supervision of a registrar. Of course, since the non-hindu tribes cut themselves off from the outside world, they did not know of these new laws. Thus, when strangers came and settled in the places they lived, they were confused. They protested and were driven out. Some took to life of crime, while most retreated into forest areas. Of course, as forests are felled today, these people retreat more and more and their numbers dwindle. During the British rule there was even a law called the Criminal Tribes Act of 1871 which identified those who took to the life of crime and then made it compulsory for their entire tribes to register themselves at the nearest police station, failing which they would be arrested and prosecuted. Of course, after we got our 'independence' our government repealed this act. Only, in its place came a new law called the 'Habitual Offenders Act, 1959'. Every year some members of the ethnic groups took daring steps and entered into the unknown world; and there they became educated. There are many such people today who strive to bring their groups forward, but we hardly know their names. Today these people are all herded under the group Scheduled Tribes. There are many such groups, probably more than a hundred. Only a very few among these are educated people while the rest live on the fringes of urban areas or in remote hilly or forest regions. In AP these groups are varied and they are called Bhils, Gonds, Bagata, Jatapus, Konda Dhoras, , Koya, Banjara, Lambada, Malis, Nayaks, Yerukulas, Yenadis, and the list goes on. Many groups underwent mass conversions as Hindus because that way they would get somewhat better previleges under Scheduled Caste. We call our nation a Secular Country. Yet our government reservation system is based on Hindu caste system.The indians who were in this subcontinent for thousands of years have the least rights. There are many of us who talk about how Europeans discriminated against the 'Red Indians', the indigenous Americans; but we hardly know what is happening in our country. There is nothing to be ashamed of about this. How are we supposed to know of all these things. Do we find lessons about them in schools? Can we earn good salaries by gaining this knowledge in our MBA's? Are there government pamphlets being distributed among us to educate us about this state of affairs? We must remeber that most of the South Indians are converted people. We had our own religions before our great great ancestors were converted by the another group of people called Aryans. So the least we can do to these non-converts, the so called ST people, is give them the respect and the place in society they deserve. We can stop discriminating people on the basis of their caste and religion. The next time you see any Lambada or a Banjara selling broomsticks near your house, remember this. She is more Indian than you are! |
CassAmino | Superb post. It is surprising to know about the true origin of the so called Scheduled Tribes people. Its horrible to see people making jokes at Lambadas or Banjaras. Making fun of so called 'lower caste' people is 'అనాగరికం'. 'We call our nation a Secular Country.', well, thats just a motto, never meant in this country. Its a truth that India is a Pro-Hindu country. I was just wondering if Mr. B.R. Ambedkar knew about the true Indian origin of Scheduled Tribes... I was not aware of what problems these indigenous Indians are actually facing except from viewing them from the ST perspective and the reservation system. But this post is like shedding a new light on these people. I also wonder how many of our Administrators know about this. Krishna Dvaipana and Ratnakara are Veda Vyasa and Valmiki respectively! Thats surprising. It would be great if you can provide proper proof/source material that validates this. Informative and thought provoking post. | August 27, 2008 06:02 |
deadmanswill | Check these links out. Especially the first one has almost all the tribes of India listed. And if you have any doubts as to truthfulness of the user edited content of Wikipedia, visit the external links listed in every page on Adivasi groups in Wiki. Also if you search google books for each of the category you will find many searchable books on the issue. Nowadays there are also websites dedicated to many of these groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ethnic_groups_in_India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheduled_tribes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denotified_tribes_of_India | August 27, 2008 08:56 |
బూ | I think I should put my POV on this... AFAIK aryan invasion etc... is all bs crap created by some white to create differences among indian, they used some color differences and some twisted translations of rigveda from max muller to create this so called aryan invasion theory. look what it resulted in? jewish holocaust? w.r.t aryan invasion and stuff; people are trying to guess what could've happend some 5000 years ago when they hardly have any evidence. how can any one tell that aryans came from the far north??? one more big question is.... how can anyone tell that they didn't??? every thing is some 5000 years old and all you have right now is some bricks and broken pottery. now, coming back to this topic. I dont see this post any different from the aryan invasion theory. can anyone tell that this part of the globe was india and that part of it was not; back in 3000bc? some great guy said country is not the soil, but its the people itself. so, what this article is trying to explain. Suppose if my parents migrated from some america few hundred years ago, do you dare to call me foreigner? I will break the jaw of anyone who does. my parents' parents may not be indians but thats not my fault. what good will it do by digging all these graves for finding "proof" for whatever someone thinks is an aryan invasion? I think we should start thinking beyond borders, colors and casts. I fear if this kind of halfbaked information falls into the hands of some "thakrey/manda krishna" and he will definitely use it in his speeches filled with hatred and I bet many are going to fall for it. I may be a "pure" indian, may not be. thats not gonna make me anything apart from "I am a human". remember what kalpana said. "I am neither indian nor american, I am a universal human." | August 27, 2008 18:58 |
deadmanswill | I think you have let out your frustration without even reading the article properly. What I am trying to tell is entirely different from what you seemed to have understood. I was talking all along about the discrimination meted out to the Scheduled Tribes. And you are ranting about Aryan Invasion. You say there is no evidence and yet you claim this whole Aryan invasion is crap invented by some whites. If you are so naive enough to think I am calling anyone foreigners, then I think you are better off not reading and interacting at all. You must read the articles completely, understand their meaning and then try to comment on them. You seem to say we should look beyond caste and that's what I am trying to say, yet you take some things too personal and vent out your frustrations. What is this Booooooo.....! | August 27, 2008 19:13 |
CassAmino | Hey Booo, what deadmanswill said is sensible, this article is purely about the true origin of Scheduled Tribes and the discrimination being meted out to them. Keeping aside the Aryan Invasion Theory which is still under debate, the origin of Indigenous Indians has been proved. Now that we know about their origin, I would however like to see what will happen if this comes to the knowledge of people like Manda Krishna. | August 28, 2008 02:51 |
CassAmino | Also Booo, I personally feel what you called 'digging graves' is actually search for historical correctness. And historical correctness is very important. What do you say? | August 28, 2008 02:53 |
బూ | 1. this article will mislead some "dravidians" think that they are true indians and not the north indias. isnt that enough to create a divide? 2. Historical correctness is imp, but jumping to conclusions without enough proof isnt. 3. I said AIT is crap because there isnt enough proof to support it. AND... there isnt enough proof to deny it either. 4. There was no INDIA 5000 years ago. So you cant have "true" indians. 5. The casteism etc is a different thing evil. I wouldnt join it with this "true indian" thing. 6. There is nothing personal here. I didnt like the correlation. I wanted to put my points across the table and they are meant for all and not a single person. simple. | August 28, 2008 05:57 |
బూ | being an indian I used to think that AIT is false and there cant be anything like it. just to make myself feel proud. after watching "the story of india" I couldnt digest the fact that there was a civilization little older than harappa to the north. near turkey. does it support AIT? may not be; may be. why we want to draw solid lines? OT:in that documentary; the author also shows that the direct descendants from adam and eve are in some small villege near chennai. proof? DNA. but did he conclude that humans originated from india??? | August 28, 2008 06:06 |
deadmanswill | @Boo. This article will mislead some 'dravidians' only if I tried to prove Aryan Invasion Theory is correct. But I did not do it! Did you not read my third sentence? Perhaps you do not know, but there is very clear linguistic and genetic evidence that the 'Aryans' and 'Dravidians' are two separate races. And when I refer to them distinctly, it does not automatically mean I support Aryan Invasion Theory. And yet you seem to draw such wrong conclusions out of this article. Besides, what I stated here is not my hypothesis, these are the conclusions drawn by many Indologists and historians. I've just paraphrased them. If it was my opinion, I would cutloose it instead of posting it in Telusa. | August 28, 2008 06:44 |
బూ | huh! its not about AIT. its about the LINES. lets take an example... nanda has been living in hyd for a long time to call himself a hyderabadi( i assume). I know for sure that many generations of my father/mother have been living here so I call myself a "pure hyderabadi" how would nanda react to this? may be I can trace back to 8-10 generations to prove my point. but if I go back to more than 400yrs? there wasnt any hyderabad at all to call someone hyderabadi. then what does some concept called "pure hyderabadi" help achive? think over it, you can apply it to the so called "maratha manus" call by raj thakrey or "jai telangana" by our own KSR. or may be muslims and christians in india. or those bengalis in adilabad. no one will like if you call someone a second-grade citizen because I like to think that there is none. | August 28, 2008 07:56 |
బూ | btw, "aryan" is not a race. its a quality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan | August 28, 2008 08:00 |
CassAmino | Hey boo, I disagree, in this article, it is being professed that STs are truly Indian in origin, in that, they have originated here, without any mixing with foreign races. Its a surprising news, its new light on their origins, it simply needs to be looked from that perspective and these people should be treated better for the injustice being meted out to them. But no one is being called a second-grade citizen. It is an interpretation that mind tries to see as implied from the 'true Indian origin of the STs'. But I agree with the fact that misinterpretation can lead to a lot of chaos and can be food for activists. | August 28, 2008 08:08 |
deadmanswill | @Boo, when I call a person bad, is it logical to conclude another person to be good. You seem to draw similar conclusions. If you think I have called you or anybody second-grade citizen, then you are have drawn biased conclusions. All I am trying to convey here is that these so called ST are aboriginal Indians and they ought to have their rights. You are taking sentences out of their context and arguing against them. | August 28, 2008 08:24 |
బూ | I agree to the part that STs ought to have their rights... buts I dont think that has to do anything with being "true indian". atleast I would like keep the "true indian" thing out of "backwardness". I agree to all the things that they are badly treated, denied, supressed etc... but I cant digest that "true indian" logic. | August 28, 2008 09:36 |
deadmanswill | hey what do you mean by backwardness? I do not get it. | August 28, 2008 09:45 |
బూ | ^social backwardness; denying what is rightfully a person needs; as a human. | August 28, 2008 11:45 |